Should 100 million LSK of the DAO treasury be burned?

If we as Lisk team would vote abstain in this decision, it would be possible for a relatively small percentage of voting power and delegates from the community to decide about this topic…

I appreciate the Lisk team’s effort to engage with the community and the willingness to improve the governance process. As far as the proposal, I’m more interested in the governance of the DAO which seems to be part of the rational behind issuing this vote when the outcome is predictable.

So, that said, based on the data currently available on Tally:

  • Only ~22 million votes remain uncast.
  • Of that, roughly 16 million are controlled by the Lisk Team, Max, and Oliver.
  • That leaves just ~6 million in potential community votes.

Even if 100% of the remaining delegates vote in favor of a proposal, the total would still fall well short of quorum.

In this context, your statement: That if the Lisk Team abstains, “a relatively small percentage of voting power and delegates from the community [could] decide about this topic” leads into a key question:

What specific threshold of community support would be considered sufficient to demonstrate that it is not just a small minority pushing for a change, and therefore justify the Team voting to abstain?

Understanding this threshold is crucial if the goal is to enable meaningful community-driven governance.

As you mentioned I believe this number should, at the least, help determine future quorum thresholds.

Also, as for the proposal itself. I see the team and the community arguments very well. If both sides are adamant, then perhaps another proposal should be made with a compromise such as burning a % of the tokens or something similar should be considered.

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Hope you enjoy your vacation @grumlin. We are definitely open to suggestions here, think between yourself, the Superchain Eco team (with their experience in other DAOs), Mona/Jan/I, and some others currently active members of the community we can come up with a solid path forward. Looking forward to discussing this in the coming weeks :flexed_biceps:

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This is not an accurate take, but it does show that we need to clarify the difference between the entities and the relationship more clearly. FYI that @janhack brought this point up internally today, so we hear it and are working on a response to help everyone have more clarity.

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Hey @ultrafresh1, this is a fair question, my understanding of @Mona’s point is that it’s less about an exact number and more that it’s in alignment with what Grumlin also stated above that “at this point, a real DAO doesn’t actually exist.” Right?

More along these lines :index_pointing_up:, I agree that following this vote (assuming it doesn’t reach quorum) we can discuss what are potential paths forward, and think that this should also include discussion / agreements on quorum, plans to bring more participants into the DAO (as mentioned in response to Grumlin above), etc. In other words, a holistic plan for the DAO.

Our genuine intention here is to create a real and robust DAO that can drive initiatives beneficial to the Lisk ecosystem and various stakeholders within it. This takes time to build, but I think we now have the right pieces in place (after just 12 months) to start pushing the overall growth of the DAO. The initiatives from the Superchain Eco team over the past few months are a great example of what is possible, but really just the tip of the iceberg imo.

We want to initially hold this 100m vote (as we communicated we would and was requested by community members here, @grumlin and @przemer), and then move forward from there. Sound good?

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Dominik, let’s be honest — the fact that there is no real DAO wouldn’t bother you much if the decisions were going your way. It’s clearly not a top priority for you :slight_smile: Still, you’re now conveniently referencing my statement, even though it’s true. The truth is, the community does know what it wants — it has a very sharp sense for detecting deception and disrespect. And that’s the root of the problem.

Now, let’s look at the facts.

The Lisk team has 0.33 million extra votes coming from 3,000 delegators.

Przemek has 3.5 million from almost 500 delegators.

Max has 0.56 million from 850.

Oliver has around 0.03 million from 140.

I have 0.75 million from 150.

ys_mdmg has 1.4 million from 135

It’s only EXTRA power(community delegated)

I’m not even counting the smaller ones — but it adds up. Is this the voice of the community? 100% yes!

But the issue lies in the fact that the team controls 15.5 million votes (including Max and Oliver). That’s the core of the problem.

I understand there are things you can’t say publicly, but I urge you — please solve this internal imbalance yourselves. And it’s clear that listening to the community isn’t the goal right now — otherwise, the team could have simply voted abstain and watched what happens. Even then, we might not have reached quorum.

And by the way, the pause mechanism is currently being heavily exploited by the team and Max in particular — who, by the way, has already sold off almost everything, pushing the market further down.

As I said from the beginning, the pause mechanism should be removed.

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Saying that I don’t care about having a real DAO, is just not true @grumlin. Generally, I would appreciate if you don’t make assumptions like that, thanks. :folded_hands:

In truth, I am very excited and motivated about the possibility to build a meaningful DAO. We have slowly been putting pieces in place to do that, and as mentioned above (and I know you agree based on your message in the other thread), we agree now is the right time in the DAO to start aligning on a larger direction forward.

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Definitely hearing what the current set of token holders is saying atm in this vote.

Also agree that just “hearing” you doesn’t make a difference if there is no action on it. I think generally the topics the community has brought up have been spread throughout various threads, where would be the best place to collect all this? Should we have this conversation here? Or better in another thread?

Atm, I am hearing some topics to be included are:

  • Quorum / Lisk+Onchain Team’s voting power

  • More clarity on the Foundation’s support of Lisk

  • Review of the “pause mechanism”

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Dominik, maybe I came across too harsh — I didn’t mean to question your commitment to developing the DAO.

I understand that everyone has their own priorities and constraints, and honestly, I’d really like us to focus not on who’s more or less right, but on how we can move forward together and make the DAO truly functional — which you also mentioned recently.

Let’s find a way to build a constructive dialogue and gather the community’s ideas in one place — including your own vision, which I’m sure is valuable to everyone. And yes, we should create a new topic like ‘DAO problems and ways to solve them’ or something similar.

I’ve started putting together a list outlining my view of the issues in the DAO and will try to publish it as soon as possible.

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We have just voted “Abstain” on Tally. As mentioned previously, we believe it would be better to split the decision into multiple yearly votes (see our reasoning here). However, the current sentiment of LSK stakeholders is clear, and we want to contribute to the legitimacy of this vote. By abstaining, we are helping the proposal reach quorum.

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A good first step frfr

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Good compromise. I also support the idea of multiple yearly votes :+1:

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I would also be interested in some clarity on the difference between these entities and the commitment involved.I’ve been crying out for this for a long time but to no avail. At one point there is $100mill fund for Lisk and the next there is a new entity with all the funds apparently dedicated to another brand and token.

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Lisk DAO cares about you guys so be more grateful to them. I think that yearly votes is perfect solution but it would be even better if we would unlock 10M instead of 15M in 10 yearly votes starting from December 2025 and ending in December 2035. Burning is short term vision while allocating 100M to DAO funds is wise and better in long term.

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I honestly feel like burning would be better because Burning 100 million Lisk tokens could be a smart move as it reduces the total supply, potentially increasing the value of remaining tokens and rewarding holders. This aligns with Lisk DAO’s goal of incentivizing participation and stabilizing the ecosystem, especially with the upcoming DAO Drops, fostering long-term community trust and engagement.

The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @kaereste, @Sinkas, and @Manugotsuka, and it’s based on their combined research, fact-checking, and ideation.

We are voting AGAINST the proposal.

After reviewing the proposal and the conversation in the comments above, we are not confident in voting in favor of an option that is, compared to the alternatives, permanent. We don’t see any solid reason that would justify rushing into making a decision that cannot be undone (burning the 100M LSK), especially when the ‘cost’ of not doing so is basically non-existent. We can always revisit this topic in the future.

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My thoughts Exactly :+1:


With all due respect to L2Beat — if you want your vote to actually mean something, even if it’s just one, then the voting power needs to be increased. Right now, it’s been reduced by 12 times from an already laughable level and stands at just 155 vpLSK…

Jujuboy — same thing, with all due respect. In a DAO, it’s not words that have influence (unless your goal is to convince someone), it’s the weight of the voting power you control.

As for the vote: 156 vpLSK against versus 11,360,000 vpLSK in favor — feel the difference, so to speak. If we had a real DAO, the tokens would have been burned already. That’s why it’s the team’s responsibility to listen to the community’s sentiment and stay in tune with it. Thankfully, @dominic listens, understands, and tries to find compromise. And we’re open too — but we will not tolerate manipulation.

So now that the quorum was not reached what is the next step or the way forward @SuperchainEco

We participate in DAOs by utilizing the voting power that has been delegated to us; we do not purchase or hold tokens to increase our voting power. However, regardless of how big or small our voting power is, we do our best to participate meaningfully by thoroughly reviewing and assessing proposals and voting in an informed manner.

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Dear DAO community,

The voting period for the 100M vote is over, and the result is that there is no decision yet, as the proposal did not reach quorum.

As many of you are aware, this result was to be expected, given the high quorum vs. total voting power in the DAO currently, and the Lisk team and Onchain Foundation both confirming they would not be participating in the vote (as was also originally communicated in the announcement of the vote to burn 100m LSK tokens at migration). It would have required a lot of additional voting power from the community to pass the proposal on their own.

Additional promising ideas about how to hold the vote had developed over the past several months, but as was requested by the community, and we also agreed, it was important to hold the vote regardless of the projected outcome as was originally promised. There was still a small chance that more LSK would get staked, or existing voting power would be boosted, so that the community could have reached the quorum on their own.

Although the proposal did not reach quorum this time, it is still an important temperature check about the overall engagement of delegates in the Lisk DAO and about their opinion regarding the 100M vote. In particular, it contributed to raising some important questions regarding the financial resources that Lisk has currently and in the future, to grow its ecosystem.

As you can see in the results on Tally, an overwhelming majority of the delegates who participated in the vote were FOR burning the 100M:

  • For: 99.46%
  • Abstain: 0.53%
  • Against: 0.01%

In total, 11.43M vpLSK participated in the voting. To reach the quorum for this proposal, either 24M ‘yes;’ and ‘abstain’ votes, or 24M ‘no’ and ‘abstain’ votes are required.

Even had the Lisk team delegate voted ‘yes’ or ‘abstain’, the vote would still have not reached quorum. The Lisk team delegate receives the vast majority of voting power from the Onchain Foundation, and therefore not participating in the vote (as opposed to voting “Abstain”) honored the commitment made before the token migration:

“To ensure a fair and community-driven decision, the Onchain Foundation will not participate in the voting process.”

Additionally, as the Lisk team, we would generally be hesitant to push through any irreversible, one-time decision, that could have such a massive impact on the future of the entire Lisk ecosystem without a sufficiently larger amount of LSK supporting it.

Path Forward

The results of the vote transmit a clear wish of the current active delegates to burn the tokens. There have also already been active discussions about what additional changes and efforts are needed to create a more fair and “real” DAO, which we fully support and acknowledge we are only in the very early stages of creating. To move all these conversations forward, focusing on an overall holistic approach to making the Lisk DAO vibrant and diverse pillar of the ecosystem, we would like to start discussions on several topics, including the following:

  1. Alternative proposals to the 100m token burn vote that could more realistically reach quorum at the current moment. One existing proposal, put forward by the Superchain Eco team, is to “Break the Token Burn into Yearly Votes.”

    • As the Lisk team, we are in favor of holding annual votes on burning the upcoming year’s allocation for the DAO, as this would enable us to take a measured approach to burn the tokens that are not immediately needed while still leaving future allocations available. That said, we likely would also be open to other suggested compromises.
  2. Active ways to incentivize more DAO delegates to stake LSK and help distribute the voting power among more stakeholders in the Lisk ecosystem. Two starting places for tangible next steps include:

  3. Deciding on an ideal quorum level for the Lisk DAO. Should it be lowered, and if so what would be the pros and cons of doing so? Should the topic be revisited once we have a better idea how many vpLSK there will be in the future?

The goal should be to decentralize the Lisk DAO and increase the number of active delegates, so the community is able to utilize the DAO funds and make decisions on certain topics even without the Lisk team and /or Onchain Foundation participating in a vote, balancing effectiveness while maintaining security of the DAO’s assets. This is an ideal we want to actively strive for, even if the goal will realistically take time to be achieved.

During the current voting period, some important questions were also raised by the community regarding the general financial situation of Lisk, and the ongoing support from the Onchain Foundation to support Lisk in the years to come. While we cannot speak for the Onchain Foundation, the Lisk team prepared the following statement to hopefully help address the most important questions around this topic.

Thank you all for the constructive conversations on various topics over the past few weeks and months! We are encouraged that we are heading in the right direction as a DAO and excited to work collaboratively to help lay the groundwork for a thriving DAO for years to come!

Please let us know if there are any additional high-level foundational pieces to the DAO we should add as key discussion topics on how best to move forward.

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